You can't see it peeking out of the neck, but it's there. Could be a similar situation where you have to find what it likes. I just googled that. Reviews; Contact Us. Australian Outback 69 grain Sierra MatchKing Ammunition In their 1984 catalog, Sierra Bullets introduced the .22 caliber (0.224”) 69 grain MatchKing HPBT (hollow point boat tail) bullet (#1380). Topped with a bushnell lrhs 3-12. I would have to look it up but I want to say it's 23.8. . I would say shoot three groups? It’s the first ballistic tip bullet by Sierra bullet. Are you getting fragmentation velocities out of the H322? So try some BH OTM, which is the regular SMk's, cartridges before you crap out on the BH load. I went from 3/8 with thick chains to 1/4'' with this poly stuff. I'm dialing 5.7 MIL (13.6') at 800 yds (furthest I've shot the 5.56) with IMI 77 gr. Thanks Markm, btw. Very interesting. Any thoughts would be appreciated. So, I had the opportunity before leaving for work last weekend to find what my favorite AR-platform liked best - Sierra 69 gr MatchKing HPBT Bullets on top of matching LC-brass using CCI #41 Primer and Varget powder. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. ArmaLite & Sig Test Platforms. If I saw some of the options locally, I'd pick up a box or two to play with. High-BC MatchKings Tipped at Factory Sierra recently released a new-for-2018, 95-grain .224 projectile, Sierra product #1396, with a claimed G1 BC of 0.600 — mighty impressive for a .22-caliber bullet. Becoming Graf & Sons. In comparison, my 77gr SMK loads shot under .8 MOA. So we threw the mag down range and shot it. Sold of my 300 win mag to a fellow member so I used my 18" 223 wylde for antelope and deer season. The upper is a VIS, although I have no intention of adding anything under the barrel. We'll find out who was fast or slow and post. Trying some new target bullets out 100 Yards for load development. But this is done with a long range scope where we dialed in 19.3 mils. Black Hills 5.56mm 77 gr TMK and 69 gr TMK Review. I didn't want to take 9 million guns out, but It would have been more data. And I was missing my plate so much decided to move closer. I'd probably test, but frankly the bullet appears to be identical in all the characteristics that matter in chamber and in the barrel. Another notable, but should be obvious with the SD's Mark posted, the ammo shot sub moa. So when we don't see dirt kick up, we have to stand by and listen for the ring. How did it compare with wind drift to the 77gr load? Have you guys had a chance to test any of the other popular faux MK262 loads? With a 20" LMT LM8MRPSC20 and a Labradar; Hootie, some good data. How many groups of the BH did you try? Very happy to see this thread. Mark used a bolt gun for 1,300 yards. No experience loading them , but I would suggest working your specific load up , again for them. We'll figger a way to upload them this week. 1/4" is the way to go if you can get away with it. The other thing, in both scenarios, the misses were right around the target. I was pleased to repeat these shots from last week.". No issues at all with the tips. I went 1/4'' and think it is the way to go for shooting 223/5.56 at longish ranges. More like a panda bear with its hands up! For handguns, because it has the Sierra high velocity construction, this bullet is too "hard" to be recommended for hunting applications. I really think atmospheric conditions must have been perfect. Sierra Bullets TMK.22 Cal 69 Gr Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. Because I hit the 1,300 yard gong with my LMT MWS with MEN 147g surplus ammo. No. Today’s AR15 Hunter Range Report features a highly anticipated new round from the folks at Black Hills Ammunition, their new 5.56mm 77gr Sierra Tipped MatchKing (aka TMK). Sierra MatchKing bullets have very thin jackets and are held to exacting tolerances in diameter and weight. Pappabear, I noticed that you said Varget was pretty harsh for .223 in an earlier post during this thread. On Thursday, I shot several different factory match loads through the LaRue Stealth barrel at 100 yards to check accuracy. . I ask because I have heard a lot of great things about Varget for .223. HPBT Match95 gr. It's good surplus ammo but we both busted out laughing. I think we've shot some of the TMKs in my own hand loads too. Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. Well, being good AND lucky is a formidable combination. We have a lot of distance, but it's challenging and even frustrating many days. We now carry every bullet that they offer for resale. We're also at 7k feet here. The TMK POI was quite close to the ranging "ticks" on several 1-6 and 1-8 scopes past 300, while the GD (which has been a preferred Whitetail round to 300) was way off. That means the entire additional length at 2.260 is down in the body. Sierra recently released a new series of plastic tipped hunting projectiles called the ‘GameChanger’. Here's some of the chrono data for those interested: We seemed to see a little free bore boost above. All Rights Reserved. Fairly large. We use H322, Russian primers with remarkable results. ALL 30 gr 34 gr 35 gr 36 gr 40 gr 42 gr 43 gr 45 gr 50 gr 51 gr 52 gr 53 gr 55 gr 60 gr 62 gr 63 gr 64 gr 65 gr 68 gr 69 gr 70 gr 73 gr 75 gr 77 gr 80 gr 82 gr 85.5 gr 88 gr 90 gr. I would not use the non-tipped version, because as noted by others, many of those might just pass through and not effect enough damage to actually put the animal down fast enough. There have been times when we couldn't even see our misses. Black Hills sent me samples of the company’s new 77-grain, 5.56mm Sierra TMK as well as its 175-grain, 7.62mm Sierra TMK load. Both times I shot it, I had 10 rounds in the mag and quit after 3 so I didn't screw it up. Known as the Tipped MatchKing, or TMK, Black Hills is using these bullets in 5.56mm and 7.62mm ammunition. Misses were a little left, a little right, a little left ect, always changing the windage hold. Barrels all have their own opinion. Like 4 MOA poorly? Black Hills first released information about this ammo back in February, shortly after SHOT Show 2014. Thank you. It would be nice for people to actually go out and break glass ceilings instead of blaming the Russians. I'd suggest you send those KAC uppers to me for testing. My model of Magnetospeed won't work with suppressors. The only time I've seen trans-sonic disruption is with my .308 20" Rem 700 with 12 twist. While the other barrels were just fine. If I were to go only by primers, pressure is right at the limit with the edges of the primers starting to loose their radius. ... Quickview.22 CALIBER 69 GR. . I hate going into gun stores. Very cool, I'm looking forward to reading the results when you gents get them posted. Last weekend we fired the 77s out to 1325 yards again. Just find it to be am extremely solid performer for flexible uses. Gift Cards ... Sierra Tipped MatchKing Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 69 Grain Polymer Tip Boat Tail (100pk) $76 00. With markm, pappabear and Eurodriver showing what can be done with the 77 gr TMK's, I wanted to push the distance on my Precision Rifle out as far as I could. I got some questions for you. I'd expect them to shoot best at the same node as untipped . I'd like to be around 2600 and accurate. They are my preferred load from BH. It's very accurate, and I've used it on game as well as paper. We had one bad mag that "bolt overed" in a few of our guns, ruining 3 live rounds. How did it compare with wind drift to the 77gr load? Weight retention is held to within +/- 0.3 grain. All trajectories are calculated from 20 inch rifle length barrel velocities, respectively. I dont care much for long range shooting, but I buy 77gr TMK because it does this: Teddy bear? I’m not a lomg Range guy at all so this question might be wrong but how high above that target were you holding? :). Delete some messages bro. We haven't. I need to get you some of that FN M855 to get some DOPE on it. Following Sierra’s introduction of Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullets, Bryan Litz of Applied Ballistics LLC has received many requests to determine the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) of these bullets through testing. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. That's just wrong :bad: What is the calculated velocity under those conditions...subsonic? Our buddy popped it with a 50 cal ball round. Below are Litz’s findings for four out of the six bullets he has able to acquire and test so far. :). 69 Gr. 5 antelope and one mule deer. It put a decent dent in the thing but didn't punch it. I would think that all it's looking for is an object breaking two radar planes, but I'll admit, my chrono-knowledge is limited to reading online and a base knowledge of physics. We knocked out a chrono-rama session today... walking down in barrel length from 16 to 10.3. Might be a little stiff for those shooting AR's though. Our 77 gr OTM house load and our 175 gr .308 load is 3.5 mils. Do you know why? 7mm/.284 Caliber (.284) 150 gr. and the hot load made the ACOG reticle good with a shorter barrel. This is the first measured group I have shot with the BH 77gr TMK's. That barrel just doesn't like the load. This should be an interesting thread to follow. May 9th, 2015 Litz Field-Tests BCs of Sierra Tipped MatchKings. Shooter app says 75 feet of elevation. Another benefit is … Sierra bullets are known for their quality and consistency. It's an IDPA size gong. At 500 yards, the come up is 2.8 mils. FWIW my larue 308 barrel will shoot 168 FGMM well, very well for that matter, but shoots every other match ammo I've tried terribly. Does the LMT have a 10 twist? 0.224 Bullets, Compete, Defend, Hunt, Rifle. I think Mark bought us the 1/4 inch steel for distance. 1000 yards is pretty good for 168s. When did markm start liking Black Hills Ammunition? HPBT Matchking Bullets Designed for Service Rifle competition in the M16A2/AR-15A2, our 22 caliber bullets have set an incredible number of new national records. 6mm Remington m Universal Barrel length& twist 24''/ 1-8'' stock# 1535 1537 7295 4100 Case/primer hornady/ Win LR desc. 26.5 gr charge @2.260 COAL. I've wondered how the 69gr TMK would do. That sounds the perfect place to shoot. It would be nice for people to actually go out an break glass ceilings instead of blaming the Russians. I got the chance to try some Black Hills 5.56mm New Factory TMK ammo in 69 grain and 77 grain bullet weights. Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. This thread has great potential, and I'd love to see it stay on track. Tipped GameKing 500 count bullets $179.75. ;). Specifically when I had some of those kind of fags (on this site) telling me that what I was doing was WRONG... even though I was gettin better than half MOA results. Our spot is often a mirage and wind torture chamber. Now with SMK's , good but no big deal. Moreover, we can expect frag velocity to be different with the addition of the polymer tip. Same weight, same base, same bearing surface on the lands, same jump to the lands . I need to get you some of that FN M855 to get some DOPE on it. 90 gr. Email me when available. The 69 Gr STMK appears to be the flattest shooting loading out to 700 yards in this scenario when launched at 2850 FPS with the 77gr STMK right behind it. The new version features a green color polymer ballistic tip Sierra boat-tail projectile calls the Tipped MatchKing (TMK). Dang that blows my mind. It also shot sub moa out of my SPR Reece ish guns. Both 16 inch tubes. Sierra has produced some great traditional lead nose hunting bullets over the years with their GameKing and Pro-Hunter lines and I have used them to shoot a … The 69 blew me away for sure. Sierra Matchking Rifle Bullets (500/Ct) 6MM /.243 CAL .243" 95 GR Hpbt ... Sierra Tipped Matchking Rifle Bullets .284 cal .284" 160 gr TMK MATCH 500/ct $207.63. It's good to see you give Black Hills a shot, as long as you don't go all out full gueer and start using Sprinco springs and LWRC piston rifles. The major advantage of adding a tip to the bullet is the reduction of drag, producing a more favorable ballistic coefficient. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I did notice a tremendous difference in drop between the Speer 64 gr. No other 5.56 load has enough ass to confirm hits at that target. I'm really enjoying your experiences here, so much so that I've ordered some 69 gr. Hit your mark every time with Sierra .224 / 22 69 grain Tipped MatchKing bullets from Powder Valley. Awesome thread guys! We got some good video of the 69s at 500 yards yesterday. Good ammo. I.e. Yeah that's what I thought, bfoosh06 - a different drag on bullet due to the tip. Thanks. But the bullets do seat to mag length, with a 1.745 case mouth at the bitter edge of the ogive. . I'd be curious to see as well. Why so? Besides of the original Mk262 77 gr military load, Black Hills has been a long time user of the Sierra bullets in … Shoots black hills 556 77gr tmk 5 shot groups under half an inch. Compare. If you find one that we … 1/2" high of POA which makes sense due to the higher velocities. The AR-platform I enjoy shooting most is an actual Noveske with a mid-length gas-system using a 16" barrel. :no: I had to put some Springcos into a few of Pappabear's guns. Our goal for tomorrow it so get a confirmed 1300 yard hit with the 77 gr TMK. Keep up the good work!! Jim . ("So" very pleased.) It's tough to thread a bullet between the cacti. Wind was mild which is a huge help. I picked up more than I'll have powder for a while, but I just really liked the results after finding what worked in my rifle using the SMKs. However, it features the famous Sierra accuracy and is certainly an excellent choice for long-range accuracy under all conditions. This is not something we can do with regularity, the atmospheric conditions have to be perfect. https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/sierra-tipped-matchking-rifle-bullets "I was able to go 3 for 3 with a red dot sight at 500 again today with the BCM 14.5 middy KMR. The boattails and shanks are nearly identical, but the TMKs are a full TENTH of an inch (actually .102) longer than the SMKs, and it's ALL ogive. That's an interesting one. Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. Sierra .224 / 22 Caliber 69 Grain Tipped MatchKing Bullets in 100 or 500 ct boxes. Varget is hard to meter, and it has bad bulk density. Yea, we wanted to do some bucket and telephone book test with the two loads to see how they fragged. I second this. So how does this benefit you? Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Have you hand loaded the 69 or 77 TMK bullets with equivalent success tot he BH factory load? I'm generally limited to about 1/4 mile, so I wonder if the 69gr load would be hard to beat at that distance. When you can load your own, it's not often that you buy very many factory loads. They are slightly longer....and have a much better BC then the SMK, .375 for the TMK vs. .301 for the SMK.... even slightly better then the 77gr SMK. It was a quiet day where we got an audible on the main gong. For a battle round, it's about a wash because either will get the job done. Sierra Bullets has been producing some of the most accurate bullets in the world since 1947. I keep trying to like the 77TMK's, but just can't. I think Pappabear is bringing his chrono next time. Next up is the new 6.5mm (.264 caliber) 150-grainer with an 0.713 G1 BC. How big was your plate? My guess would be the slower Colt barrel being the culprit- or the Noveske is "fast". The major advantage of adding a tip to the bullet is the reduction of drag, producing a more favorable ballistic coefficient. While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing and Tipped MatchKing bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications. I think at 400 the difference in drop was near 8". My Account. Seems weird that Sierra would bother with .223 TMKs if they couldn't be shot in semi-autos... Not a bit. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sierra 69 gr "Tipped" MatchKing Bullets, https://blackhillsammo.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/black-hills-ammunition-new-for-2015-5-56mm-69gr-tmk/, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/441012_Sierra_77gr_TMK_Anyone_shoot_any_yet__UPDATE.html&light=Sierra%7Ctipped, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/654885_UPDATED_03__21__15____Oct__24__14___FYI____Chronograph_results____16_Middie_and_20_Rifle.html&page=1. I average 1.1" 5 shot groups at 100, and I had a chance to take that load to 800 on reduced silhouettes on several outings this summer. I picked up some of the Black hills 77 grain last weekend and am excited to try them out in my Noveske. My model of Magnetospeed won't work with suppressors. Nice and fast too hitting just above 3000 fps. The major advantage of adding a tip to the bullet is the reduction of drag, producing a more favorable ballistic coefficient. Good question. I've never heard of it. Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. Midsouth Shooters has been proud to offer a full selection of Sierra reloading bullets for over 30 years. So much better to carry, and hits are easily noticeable. Sierra .22 Caliber (.224) 69 Gr. I'm finally getting acceptable accuracy from 77 gr SMKs with Varget, which won't run through a progressive press as consistently as a ball powder. Nice shooting and spotting. I got back on the 69 gr TMKs today with Pappabear's 5R bolt gun (20" barrel). View Full Version : Black Hills 5.56mm 77 gr TMK and 69 gr TMK Review. Good poop. We used the Magnetospeed today: Pappabear with his 20 inch 5R Rem 700. Lighter to transport, rings a lot better, etc. Out of stock Compare. Out of stock. Sierra Tipped MatchKing (TMK) 22 Cal 69gr 100/bx is no longer available. The most elevation I've dialed with 77gr in my SPR was in the ballpark of 12 mils. Last week Pappabear clipped the cactus thing on the right with a TMK. 1300 is ridiculous. I don't know why and maybe its just in my rifles. Past 500 yards. We went to the ranch a couple weeks ago with a few boxes of this load. :cool: So the efficient bullet B.C. They shoot poorly out of every gun I've shot them through. With 168s smk, it fans bullets over about a 15 foot radius at 1000 yards. But it gives us a big laugh when we hit it. What started as a small dream has become a multi-million dollar international business selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. This round is Black Hills hidden gem. I just got in a box of 69 TMKs (from Creedmoor) and miked them against the SMKs. Perhaps the 69 gr load would work better. Out of stock Compare. The Magnetospeed is great but the software the have for the Iphone blowz. My SS410 Bravo barrel shoots 75 gr Hornady better with three powders. The TMKs in this load have a cannalure. Pappa's 16" LMT MWS, on the other hand with sling them right in there all day long. The POI seems to come up very slightly for both loads. The wind wasn't heavy but it was constantly changing. Ran the 77 gr TMKs out to this 1000 yard target today with Pappabear's 16" SPR. I'll post some data tomorrow. 3 moa is insane , but .... LaRue barrel is a 223 Wylde chamber. The closest I've shot this set up was 500 yards and it handled it fine. Rifle is an AR build with a 18" Larue barrel and using an NF SHV F1 4-14 scope. But it is a testament to BH ammo. Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. My loads didn't fly as fast as this factory ammo, but none of what we've shot has been an issue. GD (granted, .223 pressure) and the 69 gr TMK. Black Hills 556 77 gr TMK results were better this time... We didn't do a complete study, but our impression was the TMK, cuts wind better and better ballistics, but the OTM's were grouped a little better. The gong doesn't move with 5.56. Thanks much for this thread!! FWIW my larue 308 barrel will shoot 168 FGMM well, very well for that matter, but shoots every other match ammo I've tried terribly. A .7 mil gain at 500 yards is remarkable. Good poop. These Hollow Point Boat Tail bullets have a small meplat to produce a higher ballistic coefficient. I did a little bit of thread surgery here. as long as they are loaded to the same length to the ogive. We've never had a NO DOUBT 1300 yard confirmed hit with anything under .308 due to the bullet running out of ass at that distance, but we're shooting that trial first thing in the morning. We have one of my 1/4" gongs at 1000 yards. Pappabear, did you get a chance to chrono it out of your 16" guns? compressed loads. I kinda got burned out on the benchrest dogma that'd I had subscribed to for a period in my life. I bet that was fun! Our house load will often tumble in transition. ...So we threw the mag down range and shot it. Sierra Tipped MatchKing (TMK) 22 Cal 69gr 100/bx This product is no longer available, but don't go just yet. The Sierra tipped Matchkings work well for animals from deer to even elk using a 30/06 or .308 Winchester. We only got to fire a box of each load today... getting the administrative stuff out of the way.... (POI check, chrono, etc.) TMK to try myself. We run a 77 gr SMK house load in .223 pressure/velocity, so I thought we'd use that as the baseline, and go from there. Out of ... $165.69. TMK 69 Gr. Sectional Density: 0.196. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2021 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Oddly enough.. I found the cannalure when I pulled apart a few of the 77gr rounds that the bad mag destroyed. I remember Sinister also having kind words for 69-grain loading as well. They shoot incredibly well out of my Ruger american 308 and was hoping to take antelope or whitetails with it. The major advantage of adding a tip to the bullet is the reduction of drag, producing a more favorable ballistic coefficient. Just wanted to jump on the deal when I saw 'em in the store. Are you seeing any issues with the plastic tips and reliability in your tests? I tried to PM you and it said your "inbox was full" lol. I just shot 700 yesterday with 77smks and was dialing 5.4 mils with a 14.5 barrel. AR15.COM is the worldâs largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. I'm finally doing better but like you said, Varget it a pain to load. Out of stock. Good data to follow, but a word of caution, mark drilled the 500 yard target with a RDS on his first 3 hits with his BH ammo, so some braggin to follow amongst the data. Hello All, Was wondering if I could use federal premium 308 168 gr sierra matchking BTHP bullets for my upcoming antelope hunt this fall or are they strictly a target bullet ? First kill was 275 yards quartering away on an meat antelope. Sierra Bullets. I'm thinking about switching back to TAC and trying to tweak it til I get some accuracy but I may try a pound of the H322.
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